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2 Japanese carrying $134 bil worth of U.S. bonds detained in Italy

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  • azzassa at 08:56 AM JST - 15th June

    Umm, because rich and elite Germans, French and Italians who control their countries also keep their loot in Switzerland?

  • PaulRevere at 10:28 AM JST - 15th June

    the US site (blog) on which I found this story had the following possible explanations; 1. The Japanese are trying to secretly divest themselves of about 25% of their US debt. (They own about $600B in US debt.) 2. The Japanese are acting as Chinese or North Korean agents in trying to help them divest themselves of US debt in secret. 3. There is an enormous sum of counterfeit US debt out there and these guys are trying to sell some of it.

    None of these cases bodes well for the US debt market.

  • zhazam05 at 12:25 PM JST - 15th June

    I looked at a dozen news-sites but found ZIP!!! NADA!!!Why is this story being supressed? Please Dig in and keep me informed!Yours, J.Edgar you know who!!!!L.O.L.!

  • flyingfish at 05:13 PM JST - 15th June

    thats the big stink..

    why is this is none of the main stream press???/

  • flyingfish at 05:32 PM JST - 15th June

    also very possible that this is the real reason for hatoyamas resignation...

    but it is amazing that its been dropped from all newspapers and these men havent been charged

    the total is 1% of us gdp!!!!

  • Johnson1234 at 11:28 AM JST - 16th June

    What if the bonds are real? Why has the identity of the men not been disclosed? why haven't we seen photos of the men? these men may have bought the bonds off someone or had them in their possession knowing very well that if they tried to cash them directly through the US treasury, the answer would have been NO!! But knowing Italian law and the fine imposed by the Italian Government of 40% of face value of the bonds may have been an excellent opportunity to have the bonds exchanged. Think about it... they go to Italy, make a deal with the Italian Government where they receive say, 10% of US$38 Billion of the bond penalty fee (knowing the US wont cash the bonds for them given the Economic climate) then they are deliberately captured by Italian Police at the border. Then the Italians establish the the bonds are genuine and receive US$38 Billion dollars and the US Government keeps the balance and everyone is happy! Why talk about terrorism and Kim Jong Il?? The art of misdirection perhaps from the real agenda! Possible?? you think about it!!!

  • zhazam05 at 12:51 PM JST - 16th June

    I Know!!!!!Its "Maddoffs $$$$$$$$$$!

  • knackerz at 01:16 PM JST - 16th June

    It's been 2 weeks since this happened, looks like they're hoping we'll all forget.

  • roninexile at 03:09 AM JST - 17th June

    It was Lupin III and Jigen caught holding the loot!

  • JohnLuke at 07:06 AM JST - 17th June

    Dear knackerz, I agree with you! THEY (the US, and/or Italian, and/or Swiss, and/or Japanese governments) wished we all forget. But the affair is TOO HUGE and too amazing! I believe that a growing community of VERY concerned US, Japanese and Italian citizens will not forget.

  • bdiego at 03:11 AM JST - 18th June

    Hey my speculation on NK wasn't meant to be a likely scenario, just a far more likely scenario than the one presented so far. =)

    One reason we don't have many more details about this is because the Italian police are ordered not to disclose any more info because any existence of counterfeit bonds has the potential to erode confidence in monetary instruments and shock the financial market - however remote that possibility may be. This is exactly the reason why banks rarely report when hackers steal millions of dollars through a security breach. Simply knowing this info would cause some consumers to overreact and lose confidence.

  • Nessie at 07:26 PM JST - 18th June

    Some speculation here:


    Real or fake, just how did the two "Japanese" hope to cash such bonds? Who are these guys? Why are their names being kept out of all news accounts?

    One news story -- immediately taken offline -- identified one of the "Japanese" as a notorious con man from the Philippines named Yohannes Riyadi, a.k.a. Wilfredo Saurin, whose associates in international crime are fairly well-known. The other guy may have been his comrade Joseph Daraman. These two men are the right ages, and they both could pass for Japanese. They've been trading in fake documents from the Federal Reserve for years.

  • youandme at 10:01 PM JST - 18th June


  • nandakandamanda at 12:38 AM JST - 30th June

    The Japanese Embassy certified that they really are Japanese, so how could they be Philippino?...

    Why has the article expired? How quickly do JT articles disappear?

  • knackerz at 08:06 AM JST - 4th July

    Amazing how the story vanished

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