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New Bedford Mayor e-mails GP Reader on Robida Game Connection

Yesterday GamePolitics ran a story concerning comments made by New Bedford Mayor Scott Lang in relation to crazed killer Jason Robida. Although hizzoner did not link Robida specifically to violent games, he did imply a connection, writing in a statement:

"This was a hate crime... the actions of a single deranged individual act as a wake up call to our community and once again the nation... This cycle of violence must stop. The guns have to come off the streets. The violent video games have to be taken out of our homes."

GP regular Andrew Eisen e-mailed the mayor about his comments and received a reply, which he has shared with us:

"Dear Andrew:

When you get a chance please explain to me the social benefits behind police and military video games for the future of our children.

While I am not familiar with these videos I have seen enough to know they can provide no healthy education for our children. Lastly, there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Robida played these video games on a regular basis as he was completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction. See his my space website for more details. I sincerely appreciate your comments.

Best regards.

Sincerely,

Scott W. Lang
Mayor
"

The key words in Lang's e-mail are, "I am not familiar." Jump to conclusions, much, Mr. Mayor? And, as far as Robida's MySpace goes, we've seen it, and it says nada about games. But we await any official word about Robida's gaming habits from New Bedford investigators.

GP: Nice job by Andrew in tracking down the mayor's comments. We think we'll promote him to correspondent. Ah, who are we kidding? We were going to do that anyway...




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[info]ianc14
2006-02-07 12:48 pm UTC (link)
hmmm, wouldnt surprise me if Jack emailed him first about how bad these games are.

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Unfamiliar...
[info]nintendite
2006-02-07 12:52 pm UTC (link)
I'm unfamiliar with being a Mayor. But I've seen enough to know that they rarely do what is best for their city and are often very corrupt.

...that's all I see on the news anyway. So it *must* be true.

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Rudeness
[info]mr_putter
2006-02-07 12:53 pm UTC (link)
What I'd like to know is why people who are campaigning against games are so inconsiderate when responding to gamers defending games. They always conclude that the games will sidle into the hands of young kids, which is, technically, partly their fault. He is the one who is complaining about violent games in the hands of kids, yet he doesn't do jack-shit to try and prevent it.
Jack, Star Locke, Eric Hutchins... all these people responded to us in an offensive way. NOW who are the cretins, Jack Thompson?

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Re: Rudeness
[info]anticron
2006-02-07 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Silly, videogames are for children. Didn't you know that?

Realistically though, in some cases they either want the attention (JT), the reaction (JT, various others), or perhaps genuinely don't understand that people playing videogames aren't mental midgets (or, rather, children).

Ironically, the same people on the attack went through the same situation with assorted things during their "youth" (Rock'n Roll, Elvis' amazing hips of lust, etc). They always forget about the demonization of things that have absolutely no bearing on people's ulterior motives. It's as if they continually ignore that there have been murders and other heinous acts prior to the latest scapegoat.

Luckily, fear-mongers aren't the majority, but it is bad enough that we have them at all.

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Re: Rudeness - [info]pyrrhus9588, 2006-02-07 02:32 pm UTC
Re: Rudeness - [info]slyfoxx, 2006-02-07 03:51 pm UTC
Re: Rudeness - [info]pyrrhus9588, 2006-02-07 04:05 pm UTC
Re: Rudeness - [info]tsknf, 2006-02-07 04:38 pm UTC
Re: Rudeness - [info]anticron, 2006-02-07 04:50 pm UTC
Re: Rudeness - [info]tsknf, 2006-02-07 05:05 pm UTC
Re: Rudeness - [info]tsknf, 2006-02-07 05:06 pm UTC
More importantly... - [info]empress_tigress, 2006-02-07 07:41 pm UTC
Re: Rudeness - [info]seifd, 2006-02-07 06:07 pm UTC
Rudeness? - [info]timed95, 2006-02-07 09:06 pm UTC
Ignorant Imbecile alert
[info]yukimurasanada
2006-02-07 01:08 pm UTC (link)
Man, this guy just doesn't know when to shut his mouth before he makes a fool of himself.

No police report, no evidance, not even a relitive trying to link games to this crime, but whats he do? Blame games. Jack Thompson, why didn't you tell us you had an politican for a son.

That, or this guys just another brain dead "non gamer" whose technophobic. Much like our favorite idiot lawyer, this guy is both an alarmist and totally unconcered with things like facts, evidance, and personal accountability. What happens when this is revealed to be a hate crime, will he apologize for his comments against the game industry. No, he'll just act like he never said them.

It's people like this that make me sick. How they get elected in the first place is beyond me. Perhaps the idiot to intelligence ratio has grown to big, if people like this get elected into office.

Sorry for the rant, but i'm getting sick of this shit.

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[info]dagrak
2006-02-07 01:14 pm UTC (link)
When you get a chance please explain to me the social benefits behind police and military video games for the future of our children

I think that sums up the attention he has spent on looking into the games industry. I think its time developers and gamers made it undeniably clear that not all games are for children.

There has been a research survey (I haven't got the link) which revealed that kids who play videogames tend to be more alert and quite good at problem solving, not to mention the large communities (yes I said gaming communities its not an oxymoron) and friendship groups which have been created from gameplay.

In addition gaming children tend to be more computer literate and in an age where computers are the key instrument in business thats a very good sign. Many have also learn't to understand more complex computer issues, others have learn't history, science and even maths in games. Games also teach teamwork and cooperation an essential skill in the real world.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it irrelevant and useless and people like this killer will use anything if it means they can harm others.

Games of a violent nature should be kept out of the hands of children but adults should be able to use them as they please.

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[info]empressdragon
2006-02-07 02:19 pm UTC (link)
Firstly I agree with you, but I have to nitpick... the proper word is learned; there's no such word as learn't... (sorry if you were being sarcastic but I had to say it...)

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(no subject) - [info]dagrak, 2006-02-07 02:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dagrak, 2006-02-07 02:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dagrak, 2006-02-07 02:48 pm UTC
while you're down... - [info]acroamatis, 2006-02-08 12:35 am UTC
Re: while you're down... - [info]dagrak, 2006-02-08 09:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]empressdragon, 2006-02-07 03:04 pm UTC

[info]silver_derstin
2006-02-07 01:16 pm UTC (link)
I guess evidence needs to be made up in this case so that video games will become the important point in this case. Can't have the kid be a neo-nazi, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

And I was obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction long before I started playing violent video games. I was an army freak in grade school. If you're not familiar with something, please don't blame it.

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Congrats!
[info]the1jeffy
2006-02-07 01:17 pm UTC (link)
To Andrew Eisen for his correspondenceship! (I invented a word!)

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Benefits of games?
[info]matt0677
2006-02-07 01:23 pm UTC (link)
Well, the easy response would be to say, "What is the educational value of rock & roll or violent TV shows which are also marketed toward children?"

On the other hand, I've been playing computer games since I was 4 years old, about 24 years ago. I'm a productive member of society without a criminal record, and I know how to behave in polite company.

When I'm stressed, I relieve the tension by playing games. I could bottle it up until I exploded verbally or even physically against my colleagues, but I don't.
If I have a hard day at work, I go home and beat the living crap out of someone on DOA, or tear up the track in GTL, or fill a few perps with lead. After half an hour the stress is gone. People have been known to comment on what a laid-back person I am, in fact.

Not to mention the effect all those years of gaming have had on my reactions (which are officially Lightning Fast) or my hand-eye coordination, which is well above average.

My mental faculties are also kept in shape by games frequently challenging my puzzle-solving abilities, lateral thinking, and attention to detail.

Various simulators have given me a basic knowledge of all kinds of areas I wouldn't usually have access to, such as the theory of flying an aircraft (mechanical and also pilot's procedures), racing techniques, obviously a little military theory (mainly strategic but a little tactical knowledge too), that list goes on and on.

When under instruction, such as learning to ride a motorcycle, drive a car, or operate heavy machinery, my instructors have all commented on the ease with which I pick things up. I thank games for the vast virtual experience I've accumulated, and I encourage the children I encounter to use them the same way.

Even GTA3 has benefits, assuming the player knows right from wrong. I can't comment on Postal because I haven't played it, but I expect that as a FPS it would train hand-eye coordination and reactions. Again, the parents should have already instilled a sense of right and wrong.


PS. After all these years, I've still got no idea how to strip down and rebuild a rifle.

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Re: Benefits of games?
[info]pyrrhus9588
2006-02-07 01:36 pm UTC (link)

Even GTA3 has benefits, assuming the player knows right from wrong. I can't comment on Postal 2 because I haven't played it, but I expect that as a FPS it would train hand-eye coordination and reactions. Again, the parents should have already instilled a sense of right and wrong.


Fixed.

Postal was a shooter with an isometric view (and crappy controls). Postal 2 is the FPS in the series.

And yes, GTAIII has helped to improve my navigational skills. So there are at least some benefits to playing it. I still wouldn't recommend it for children though.

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Re: Benefits of games? - [info]matt0677, 2006-02-07 01:56 pm UTC
Re: Benefits of games? - [info]pyrrhus9588, 2006-02-07 02:22 pm UTC
Re: Benefits of games? - [info]gatz111085, 2006-02-07 06:22 pm UTC

[info]konrad_arflane
2006-02-07 01:30 pm UTC (link)
"Lastly, there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Robida played these video games on a regular basis as he was completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction."

One wonders if he thinks Robida was obsessed with violence and destruction because of videogames, or played videogames because he was obsessed with violence and destruction. If it's the latter, he may have a point, I suppose. However, that would make the videogames connection irrelevant, so it's probably the former.

Incidentally, doubt is good, IMO.

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Social Benefits
[info]anticron
2006-02-07 01:36 pm UTC (link)
When you get a chance please explain to me the social benefits behind police and military video games for the future of our children.

While I am not familiar with these videos I have seen enough to know they can provide no healthy education for our children. Lastly, there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Robida played these video games on a regular basis as he was completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction. See his my space website for more details. I sincerely appreciate your comments.


Technically speaking, any hobby/entertainment option has very little in the way of social benefits (in the way he's thinking), despite them doing just what he's thinking. I'm really not sure how to best explain it, but video games offer just as much opportunity as, say, watching the Super Bowl, insofar as anything social is concerned. Granted, they are less social than some other options, but with the saturation of the market virtually garaunteeing that your friends will be playing similar things, it is somewhat offset.

Like anything entertainment, there does not have to be a requirement for "education value" and indeed, most forms of diversion are quite mindless, however needed that they are. After all, how much practical application will we get out of playing Golf, for example? But, of course, examples within "the norm" will be dismissed, even though most sports "train" people to be far, far more aggressive/destructive than any video game could even imagine.

as he was completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction


It is very unfortunate that people with any measure of power chose to ignore the actual problems for incredibly sad events such as this. That they continually point out where the problem lay on one hand, and blame it on somethign else entirely is just.. silly.

Occom's Razor would be something they might benefit from understanding a little bit more.

This man was hateful being. If video games made him that way, then there would be causation between violence and games; as such, gamers would be more prone to violence, and quite frankly the statistics do not agree. If this were the case--quite literally--there would be bedlam. Instead, we have people who started without all the wires firing properly that have a common hobby that the older generation doesn't understand at all (Rock'n Roll anyone?), and naturally, the problems they cause couldn't be anything other than the hobby. It couldn't possibly be that the man in question was a Neo-Nazi with a penchant for violence and a hatred of homosexuals. No. It must be the video games that the vast majority of the younger population plays. The vast minority of which are truly disturbed individuals (which exist in any age bracket, but nevermind that!).. but it isn't that obvious solution. It's the games that are perverting little Johnny. Nevermind that little Johnny was torturing animals in the third grade (prior to obtaining any video game knowledge). Little Johnny couldn't possibly be disturbed prior to playing games; couldn't possibly be disturbed due to other outside factors other than games.

I mean, milk isn't so bad, is it?

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Re: Social Benefits
[info]chronozaga
2006-02-07 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Very well stated! I completely agree with you.

I find it sad that Mayo Lang, or anyone for that matter, finds gay bashing (not ment as derogitory) less of an issue than video game violence. Gay bashing is the new racism, and video games are the new rock and roll. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Re: Social Benefits - [info]automancer, 2006-02-07 08:01 pm UTC
Nitpicking again... - [info]acroamatis, 2006-02-08 12:45 am UTC

[info]sir_bissel
2006-02-07 01:39 pm UTC (link)
"there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Robida played these video games on a regular basis as he was completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction. See his my space website for more details."

Mr. Robida used the internet on a regular basis.

And ate food.

And drank water.

So should we blame those as well?

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[info]anticron
2006-02-07 01:56 pm UTC (link)
Strawman arguments are a favorite among these types. They have a very poor concept of logic, as well.

Person plays videogames
Person is a neo-nazi with a penchant for violence and a hatred of homosexuals

Therefore, the person killed the homosexuals because he played videogames.
Ban videogames and save lives today!

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That's what sickens me about the whole incident. - [info]pyrrhus9588, 2006-02-07 02:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]barfo, 2006-02-07 06:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anticron, 2006-02-07 06:47 pm UTC
Strawman - [info]automancer, 2006-02-07 08:09 pm UTC

[info]sqlrob
2006-02-07 01:50 pm UTC (link)
Andrew - good letter, here's a possible bit for a response:

And what are the benefits of ignoring the First Amendment and the principles our country is founded on?

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Letters.
[info]markusdragon
2006-02-07 01:56 pm UTC (link)
I was going to mail him yesterday, but this response got me somewhat worked up, so I scrapped my original letter and sent him this.

Mr. Lang
I am appauled and disgusted by your suggestion that Robida's obsession with guns and violence was in any way video game connected. Your email to one of my peers saying that " there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Robida played these video games on a regular basis as he was completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction" is a particularly gruesome and unfair stereotyping of members of the gaming community.

Perhaps you would care to take a look at the humorists who run the webcomic ' Penny Arcade' who are obviously very avid gamers. Whilst extreme violence is often displayed in their works, mainly for comedic effect, you will find that Holkins and Krahaulik are two very well adjusted, talented and caring individuals who over the past two years have run a charity aimed specifically at encouraging members of the gaming community to donate games consoles and child-friendly games to various childrens hospitals over the world. Similar in such pursuits (but unfortanatly not quite so publicised) are the actions of the charity ' Get Well Gamers'. All of these individuals grew up playing violent games on a regular basis. Would you dare suggest that that has made them "completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction"?

If you cared to look past the bandwagon, you'd realise that even in Robida as you allege was an avid gamer, so are a majority of his generation. Pick out a killer, and you are most likely to find a gamer, pick out a grade A student at Harvard and you are most likely to find a gamer. Pick out anyone's son or daughter and you are most likely to find a gamer. People will go on rampages with or without violent media; it's an unfortanate fact of life that we have to learn to deal with. When tragedy happens, the best we can do is pick up the pieces, admit to the real underlying causes, no matter how hard they are to swallow, and try not to let a scapegoat emerge from the ruins.

I urge you to take a step back and think before you go leaping into unneccessary conclusions.

Yours Sincerely
- Mark Cope, Gamer and Student.

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Re: Letters.
[info]blitzfitness
2006-02-07 02:25 pm UTC (link)
That's pretty good too. I posted on here a study that came out about the development of children and videogames in regards to brain wave scans. I hope someone with better readin', ritin', rithmatic skills than I can kindly point this mayor out to it.

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The mayor is an idiot for overlooking the obvious
[info]beardoggx
2006-02-07 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Never mind the cold, hard fact that the police has been investigating this as a hate crime the whole time.

Never mind the cold, hard fact that the national news media, from USA Today on down, has made ZERO mention of games at all in their reports, only that it was a hate crime.

Never mind the cold, hard fact that Robida had Nazi paraphenalia all over his bedroom, including a homemade Nazi poster with a swastika and anti-Semitic writing and a makeshift coffin, and on his person(tattoos).

Sounds to me, an average person, that he was crazy regardless of what drove him to commit these acts(meaning Robida would have done these acts anyway). And that is a cold, hard fact.

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Nobody likes cold hard facts.
[info]startropics
2006-02-07 02:29 pm UTC (link)
Cold and hard stuff is hard to eat, like taffy. You have to warm it up first with lies.

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Just throwing some chum in the water
[info]kildorn
2006-02-07 02:39 pm UTC (link)
http://www.nbc5.com/entertainment/6625350/detail.html?rss=chi&psp=entertainment

There you go jack, sick em! Games may not be training people to kill, but TV is training them to kill and get away with it! (sarcasm tags removed for web5.0 functionality)

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I'm not familiar?
[info]jabrwock
2006-02-07 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Lastly, there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Robida played these video games on a regular basis as he was completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction. See his my space website for more details.

Umm...

And I'm 100% positive his obsession with neo-nazism and Insane Clown Posse (of which his website IS plastered with) have NOTHING to do with it. He was CLEARLY a well-adjusted individual who was brainwashed by police-trainer-games into killing homosexuals. Obviously we need to re-write some of those police trainers, before rookies start wielding hatchets...

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Re: I'm not familiar?
[info]apathyislife
2006-02-07 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Says a lot about the citizens of New Bedford, doesn't it?

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Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct
[info]oldmankeebler
2006-02-07 02:57 pm UTC (link)
http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerevolution/impact/myths.html

http://www.gamerevolution.com/oldsite/articles/violence/violence.htm

Your full of shit Jack.

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Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]skemodan, 2006-02-07 03:03 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]ianc14, 2006-02-07 05:04 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]skemodan, 2006-02-07 05:09 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Wrong, John Boy. Quit Crying Over Nothing. - [info]beardoggx, 2006-02-07 02:58 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Wrong, John Boy. Quit Crying Over Nothing. - [info]oldmankeebler, 2006-02-07 03:03 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Wrong, John Boy. Quit Crying Over Nothing. - [info]beardoggx, 2006-02-07 03:07 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Wrong, John Boy. Quit Crying Over Nothing. - [info]empressdragon, 2006-02-07 03:11 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Wrong, John Boy. Quit Crying Over Nothing. - [info]jdmdsp911, 2006-02-07 06:09 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Wrong, John Boy. Quit Crying Over Nothing. - [info]empressdragon, 2006-02-07 06:19 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Wrong. - [info]beardoggx, 2006-02-07 03:01 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]evilfish28, 2006-02-07 03:04 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]squirrelofwrath, 2006-02-07 03:07 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]bustermanzero, 2006-02-07 03:09 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]beacon80, 2006-02-07 05:58 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]awol1010, 2006-02-07 03:14 pm UTC
An expert? - [info]skemodan, 2006-02-07 03:15 pm UTC
For reference: - [info]fedule, 2006-02-07 05:18 pm UTC
Re: For reference: - [info]skemodan, 2006-02-07 05:35 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]raptor3k, 2006-02-07 03:15 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]temg99, 2006-02-07 03:21 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]aniki21, 2006-02-07 05:27 pm UTC
Just Be truthful, for once... - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-02-07 03:23 pm UTC
Re: Just Be truthful, for once... - [info]anticron, 2006-02-07 03:52 pm UTC
Re: Just Be truthful, for once... - [info]trencher, 2006-02-08 12:09 am UTC
Re: Just Be truthful, for once... - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-02-07 04:37 pm UTC
Re: Just Be truthful, for once... - [info]thejury_rigged, 2006-02-08 09:32 am UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]surrealchris, 2006-02-07 03:34 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]keddren, 2006-02-07 03:39 pm UTC
Where's your educational credentials? - [info]gasperskeltner, 2006-02-07 03:53 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]thejccalhoun, 2006-02-07 03:55 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]thejury_rigged, 2006-02-08 09:38 am UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]jindewinter, 2006-02-07 04:08 pm UTC
Sad... - [info]getwellgamer, 2006-02-07 04:17 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]sinistarfith, 2006-02-07 04:29 pm UTC
Mr. Thompson, I'd really appreciate a response to the above. - [info]sinistarfith, 2006-02-07 07:44 pm UTC
few things I noticed - [info]sundaos, 2006-02-07 04:34 pm UTC
Re: few things I noticed - [info]skemodan, 2006-02-07 05:05 pm UTC
Re: few things I noticed - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-07 05:09 pm UTC
Yawn, another one for the archives - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-07 04:49 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]ianc14, 2006-02-07 05:02 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]aniki21, 2006-02-07 05:23 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2006-02-07 05:44 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]automancer, 2006-02-07 09:41 pm UTC
Meet the NEW expert - [info]jdmdsp911, 2006-02-07 06:07 pm UTC
Re: Meet the NEW expert - [info]lordlundar, 2006-02-07 07:24 pm UTC
URGENT: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]ithmarvin, 2006-02-07 06:18 pm UTC
Re: URGENT: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]lordlundar, 2006-02-07 07:28 pm UTC
Re: URGENT: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]howdoyouplead, 2006-02-08 01:38 am UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]empress_tigress, 2006-02-07 07:05 pm UTC
Another example of Jack Thompson's shameless distortion of facts - [info]mnementh2230, 2006-02-07 08:33 pm UTC
You have till the end of the day Jack - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-02-07 08:49 pm UTC
Letter Regarding. - [info]enmitywithin, 2006-02-07 08:57 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]dutch_gamer, 2006-02-07 09:51 pm UTC
No wonder... - [info]sabin_blitz, 2006-02-07 10:05 pm UTC
Oh Jack just Shut up already f00... - [info]x_vader_x, 2006-02-07 10:18 pm UTC
Re: Mayor Lang Is Absolutely Correct - [info]razor5, 2006-02-08 03:32 am UTC
Just pointing out...
[info]chadius
2006-02-07 03:11 pm UTC (link)
1. Neo-Nazism is the cause of this awful incident. Rabida's room and website are buried in Nazi signs and anti-semitism, but no videogames.

2. Videogames can release stress, generate problem solving skills, and improve reflexes.

3. No one has proven a causal link between violence videogames and violent behavior.

4. Most people who play games are adults, not children. Children gain access to inappropriate games because of poor parental supervision.

Hope that helps the response, Andrew. Or at least condense them.

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Video games are art...right?
[info]skemodan
2006-02-07 03:26 pm UTC (link)
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/books_entertainment/be_columns/ErikLokkesmoe/2006/02/07/185351.html

I just thought this was an interesting article. It explains Jack, but it doesn't exactly explain why every Democrat senator with CNN's phone number is trying to pass video game legislation.

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Re: Video games are art...right?
[info]riffraff1138
2006-02-07 08:10 pm UTC (link)
Jack is especially guilty of #5, it seems.

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Re: Video games are art...right? - [info]panic_button42, 2006-02-08 07:31 am UTC

[info]surrealchris
2006-02-07 03:40 pm UTC (link)
The sad part is, before these new ultra-violent video games, New Bedford used to be a quiet little happy town.

Oh yeah, except for the gang-rape of a girl on a pool table which was made into the film The Accused. (And I bet somebody in that bar once played Super Mario Brothers.)

===

It's too bad people are wasting all of their breath on Jack, considering he is basically regarded as a joke, a punchline if you will, to the game industry, and little more than a shrieking boy-who-cries-wolf in the hopes of getting in front of yet another camera, or selling another copy of his book.

I wish, as a daveleoper myself, we could get our own, knowledgeable, and well-spoken people in front of the cameras alongside this nut in order to debate and debunk him.

However, I doubt he would agree to a fair debate.

Still, we do need a solid, intelligent, and communicative talking-head type in order to address these ridiculous claims. I really wish I knew who to contact to set that up, because it seems like th industry has, to this point, let it blow over time and time again, insead of directly debunking the fraudulent lies that spew from these people.

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[info]slyfoxx
2006-02-07 03:55 pm UTC (link)
"or selling another copy of his book."

I loved his book; it made a nice fire over which to toast marshmellow and sausages ^_^

Seriously, though... you're a developer?

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(no subject) - [info]surrealchris, 2006-02-07 03:58 pm UTC
Unfortunate - [info]anticron, 2006-02-07 03:55 pm UTC
Will we get to see Jack's screenshot then?
[info]irrevilent
2006-02-07 03:58 pm UTC (link)
"We now know, from good police work by New Bedford’s detectives, as well as from news reports, that Jacob Robida was a hard-core video gamer who played the Grand Theft Auto games."

Heya, Jack, my name's Phil and I'm from Scotland. When Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas came out here, seeing as Take Two's Rockstar North is stationed in Scotland, it was a big thing. So if a game like San Andreas was proved to cause a person to murder someone, then you'd find a huge media frenzy.

So why did this only appear on page 13 of today's newspaper, The Metro?

Gay attack teen shot

A NAZI-obsessed teenager wanted for seriously injuring three people in an attack on a gay bar was killed by police after shooting dead a police officer and a female passenger in his car. Jacob Robida used a pistol and a hatchet in the bar attack in Massachussetts. The 18-year-old then drove 2,400km to Arkansas where he killed another policeman. He died after a shoot-out with other officers.

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If you can explain why this is only on page 13 and why it doesn't mention any video game what-so-ever then I'd be more than willing to listen.

I've also never seen you in the newspapers of the United Kingdom; do you think we'll see you soon?

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obviously
[info]jabrwock
2006-02-07 04:42 pm UTC (link)
If you can explain why this is only on page 13 and why it doesn't mention any video game what-so-ever then I'd be more than willing to listen.

Because we got a bunch of sociopaths in Edinburgh, Scotland, sittin' around in kilts sippin' their single malt whiskey spreading racial, hurtful stereotypes in this country. :P

Thompson's quote from a radio interview about Take Two...

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Re: obviously - [info]irrevilent, 2006-02-07 05:27 pm UTC
Re: Will we get to see Jack's screenshot then? - [info]ianc14, 2006-02-07 05:03 pm UTC

[info]dagrak
2006-02-07 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I am a citizen of the United Kingdom and I have emailed this District Attorney in regards to Jack Thompsons fax. I can only contact him (without considerable cost to myself) through this medium and I do not expect a response as a result. If you believe, as I do, that what Jack Thompson has sent this man is both false, disgusting and evil then I urge you to contact him through his office:

1-800-879-0110 or (508)997-0711.

Their mailing address is:
P.O. Box 973
New Bedford, MA 02740

I have never normally cared to challenge Mr Thompson's releases (Though have expressed dislike) and would argue that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I also do not like the games that he is threatening but I cannot tolerate lies and the twisting of the truth to be used to such a fascist level as this letter suggests.

I offer no insult to Mr Thompson I simply challenge what he has written.

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[info]jabrwock
2006-02-07 04:26 pm UTC (link)
I offer no insult to Mr Thompson I simply challenge what he has written.

I wrote to the mayor pointing out the flaws in Thompsons arguments, and encouraged him to contact the Alabama Bar & Judge Moore for more info on how much of an "expert" Thompson is... >:D

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(no subject) - [info]dagrak, 2006-02-07 04:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]flowersforjack, 2006-02-08 12:10 am UTC

[info]kajex
2006-02-07 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Jack's a lawyer right? He makes a living by taking cases, providing facts with which he can convince a jury of peers that either one account is true or false, and thus win a case. So... here's what I'm seeing.

1. Jack becomes a lawyer (after failing the Florida Bar, no less, which I am to understand, have the lowest requirements in the U.S.), and looks for cases he can win. He tries Medical Malpractice- cute, but not as many cases.

2. Jack sees something that might be considered visually offensive, or offensive in some manner- music. He notices the popularity of said music, and devises a strategy, which follows:

3. He attacks it with facts that are not true, but informs them to a group of people who are not as informed as others so that even the most ludicrous thing he says will be the only word of the mouth that the audience hearing him can go by. He also tries to "ally" himself with organizations that might feel similarly to him (i.e., NIMF)

4. He next tries to deal with politicians with people at his back, using the fact that there are people who believe him and keeping in mind that most politicians are not as informed as some people on some matters- "current rap music is violent, and invokes teens to engage in acts of violence" may not be anything CLOSE to true, but a politician who barely understands the medium to begin with will, like the people behind Jack, have nothing else to go by.

5. Jack tries then to get the said politician to have laws written up, trying his best to dodge issues of the First Amendment, so that there will be things to fight against the apparently offensive medium.

6. Armed with this, and the fact that alot of people either don't know a thing about the medium, are against it since he said it in the beginning, or are being persuaded by the fact that he managed to get laws placed up against the medium, he comes across as a self-appointed "expert" in the field, and thus uses the fact that he's had an influence over the law as an advantage in court, where he can say even more ridiculous things to anybody and still be considered credible- this wins favor in courts, and he wins multiple cases, and at the prices he tries to aim at industries for, that's alot of money.

7. If the plan has failed at any point, however, Jack reprioritizes and tries to attack yet another medium that could be considered visually offensive, and one that people of today understand less- this encourages him to be more imaginative, seeking more allies, becoming a better liar, and trying to interperate a medium that even he doesn't fully understand by absorbing only the worst content available- he makes connections that are tenuous at best, exagerates, puts words into people's mouths, goes public and earns respect by talking to news industries about what he's doing, and all the while tries to threaten or scare off the majority of us who know better and who might have voice enough to be louder than he is and make clear the wholeness of the situation, thus making him less credible than he already is. And all of this so he can fel better about himself to get money.

Jackism: "Only pick fights you can win."

That... is genius. So... what have you won?

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[info]jabrwock
2006-02-07 04:43 pm UTC (link)
So... what have you won?

In his mind, yes. In reality. No.

I reject your reality, and substitute my own! - Adam, Mythbuster

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(no subject) - [info]lordlundar, 2006-02-07 07:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-07 07:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]howdoyouplead, 2006-02-08 01:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kajex, 2006-02-08 02:01 am UTC
Good Grief....
[info]tsknf
2006-02-07 04:57 pm UTC (link)
When you get a chance please explain to me the social benefits behind police and military video games for the future of our children.

Probably none. But then, they're not meant for children.

While I am not familiar with these videos I have seen enough to know they can provide no healthy education for our children.

See above.

Lastly, there is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Robida played these video games on a regular basis as he was completely obsessed with weapons, violence and destruction. See his my space website for more details.

Oh, and the nazi-hate stuff was of no importance?

Now I applaud that he gave a proper answer (take notes Jack), and that he didn't use the Kiddie card (take further notes Jack) but he is still jumping to ignorant conclusions.

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Re: Good Grief....
[info]silver_derstin
2006-02-07 05:15 pm UTC (link)
At least he SAID he was ignorant, which is a critical difference then most other of those legislator.

Give him some video games, he might change his mind.

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Run along Jack.
[info]tsknf
2006-02-07 05:10 pm UTC (link)
The gamers are busy having a civilised discussion.

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Re: Run along Jack. - [info]dog_welder, 2006-02-07 06:16 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-07 05:11 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]tsknf, 2006-02-07 05:14 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]dagrak, 2006-02-07 05:15 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-02-07 05:17 pm UTC
Lovely Flowers from Lovely Gamers - [info]ianc14, 2006-02-07 05:19 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-02-07 05:19 pm UTC
Why don't you just say what you'd do with 'em? - [info]tweek_20k, 2006-02-07 05:20 pm UTC
Jack can't read return addresses - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-07 05:22 pm UTC
I could tell you where to stick them, Jack - [info]jdecamp, 2006-02-07 05:22 pm UTC
Re: I could tell you where to stick them, Jack - [info]ianc14, 2006-02-07 05:25 pm UTC
Re: I could tell you where to stick them, Jack - [info]gatz111085, 2006-02-07 06:41 pm UTC
READ HERE TO SEE WHAT JT WANTS TO DO WITH THE FLOWES - [info]dagrak, 2006-02-07 05:23 pm UTC
Re: READ HERE TO SEE WHAT JT WANTS TO DO WITH THE FLOWES - [info]dagrak, 2006-02-07 05:24 pm UTC
Or you could read the letter ... - [info]irrevilent, 2006-02-07 05:25 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]thejccalhoun, 2006-02-07 05:31 pm UTC
The Manhunt thing - [info]jdmdsp911, 2006-02-07 07:08 pm UTC
Re: The Manhunt thing - [info]riffraff1138, 2006-02-07 08:32 pm UTC
Re: The Manhunt thing - [info]jdmdsp911, 2006-02-07 08:36 pm UTC
Re: The Manhunt thing - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-02-07 08:52 pm UTC
Re: The Manhunt thing - [info]jdmdsp911, 2006-02-07 09:06 pm UTC
Re: The Manhunt thing - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-02-08 01:38 am UTC
Re: The Manhunt thing - [info]jdmdsp911, 2006-02-08 02:31 am UTC
Re: The Manhunt thing - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-02-08 03:56 am UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]aniki21, 2006-02-07 05:34 pm UTC
low-blow Jack - [info]sundaos, 2006-02-07 05:37 pm UTC
Re: low-blow Jack - [info]keddren, 2006-02-07 05:38 pm UTC
Re: low-blow Jack - [info]dog_welder, 2006-02-07 06:18 pm UTC
Wait, Joystiq? what? - [info]metoollhead, 2006-02-07 05:41 pm UTC
Re: Wait, Joystiq? what? - [info]irrevilent, 2006-02-07 05:45 pm UTC
Re: Wait, Joystiq? what? - [info]metoollhead, 2006-02-07 05:47 pm UTC
Re: Wait, Joystiq? what? - [info]irrevilent, 2006-02-07 05:53 pm UTC
Re: Wait, Joystiq? what? - [info]metoollhead, 2006-02-07 06:03 pm UTC
Re: Wait, Joystiq? what? - [info]timbickley, 2006-02-07 05:46 pm UTC
Re: Wait, Joystiq? what? - [info]markusdragon, 2006-02-07 06:31 pm UTC
Re: Wait, Joystiq? what? - [info]flowersforjack, 2006-02-07 07:56 pm UTC
I've got a better idea for ya Jack... - [info]skemodan, 2006-02-07 05:41 pm UTC
Jack the phony - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2006-02-07 05:50 pm UTC
word of warning - [info]joshdavis271, 2006-02-07 05:56 pm UTC
Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-02-07 05:57 pm UTC
Re: Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]jindewinter, 2006-02-07 06:20 pm UTC
Re: Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-02-07 06:29 pm UTC
JACK THOMPSON COUGHS - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2006-02-07 06:32 pm UTC
Re: Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]phantompvp, 2006-02-07 06:34 pm UTC
Re: Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]winter_b0rn, 2006-02-07 10:26 pm UTC
Re: Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]brendanthejedi, 2006-02-08 12:53 am UTC
Re: Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]ianc14, 2006-02-07 07:00 pm UTC
Re: Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]anticron, 2006-02-07 07:30 pm UTC
Re: Sending Flowers isn't newsworthy - [info]chuma, 2006-02-08 12:06 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]anticron, 2006-02-07 06:05 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]jindewinter, 2006-02-07 06:13 pm UTC
His ego must be big enough to have its own gravitational pull! - [info]beacon80, 2006-02-07 06:24 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]markusdragon, 2006-02-07 06:29 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]samsoneffect, 2006-02-07 06:54 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]flowersforjack, 2006-02-07 07:39 pm UTC
BECOME A JOURNALIST! - [info]heimdal00, 2006-02-07 07:35 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]flowersforjack, 2006-02-07 07:38 pm UTC
I think you should go the "Flowers For Algernon" route - [info]phoenixzero, 2006-02-07 08:30 pm UTC
Re: I think you should go the "Flowers For Algernon" route - [info]thefremen, 2006-02-08 07:57 am UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Just Received Flowers from Joystiq... - [info]enmitywithin, 2006-02-07 09:01 pm UTC

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